Scully, I think you win the prize for the best time the emoticon has been used! LOL
sweet pea
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Did Everyone Really Love Michael Jackson? (I'm Confused)
by minimus ineveryone talked about him as being a weirdo.
a pedo.
a freak.
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Did Everyone Really Love Michael Jackson? (I'm Confused)
by minimus ineveryone talked about him as being a weirdo.
a pedo.
a freak.
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sweet pea
I thought he was a genius and loved/love his music. I think he comes under the category of being able to be forgiven for anything he did - he was unique in our culture. I think his upbringing produced a very unusual character that simply needed to relive his childhood and that together with his wealth and fame led to all sorts of strange things. Many of us have done/do things as a result of how our spirit was stifled as JW's - add everything else to the mix as in the case of MJ and boy do you have a bubbling couldron. I agree with fellow posters who say that cuddling up with some kids in bed of course is totally inappropriate but it does NOT make him a pedo and you know what? Some friends of ours who I completely trust and who my boys love to pieces? If my boys were cuddled up with them reading bedtime stories, I wouldn't have a problem with it. I think as a society we have lost a lot of the innocence that used to be in community/family due to the minority of dangerous ones amongst us and now blokes have to be so careful not be seen as rapists or pedophiles that they cannot show their natural affection like they used to.
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Posted on behalf - ladies, please share your thoughts and comments
by passwordprotected ini am a lifelong jw, a born-in true believer for most of my life.
eventually i had the awakening and have been pulling away from the religion, even though we still attend meetings.
i am willing to keep up appearances if it means saving my relationship with my wife and our close family.
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sweet pea
Oh, one other thing - you need to make some better 'apostate' friends - not the ones that foam at the mouth LOL.
There are plenty of people here you could hook up with that are quite fun, deep thinkers, who have moved on without self destructing - they may like their cigars and alcohol a bit more now though.......
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Long time reader.....first time poster
by JWinprotest inhello everyone, my wife and i are currently associated with jw's.
my mom converted when i was 3 years old in 1975, my wife was born after her parents converted.
about 4 years ago however, my wife and i have seen many things that have discouraged us enough to start doing some research into the validity of this religion.
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sweet pea
Even without being DF/DA'd, having such radically different beliefs about the org can put quite a wedge between a girl and her mother, even if they were once best friends (speaking from experience here). The frustration can be overwhelming at times........
It was having our children that really got us out of the org - if we'd been childfree at the time we could've made a better go at fading but there was no way I was going to stifle the spirit of my children and deprive them of a 'normal' life or be looking over my shoulder the whole time. Even though DF'd my mum sticks by us and we have a great relationship with her, all things considered.
You never know, deep down, your wife's mother could even have some doubts of her own?!
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District Convention at Hayesbridge, Surrey?
by sweet pea inmy dad informs me that the dc this year for many is at hayesbridge assembly hall.. now that is bizarre.
i can't imagine what everyone must be thinking?
i think i'd have been relieved in one respect (no having to trudge over to twickenham and cope with the little ones at a stadium that is not particularly child friendly) but on the other hand there was something special about being together with such a 'great crowd of witnesses' and seeing people you hadn't seen for a long time, etc, etc.
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sweet pea
My dad informs me that the DC this year for many is at Hayesbridge Assembly Hall.
Now that is bizarre. I can't imagine what everyone must be thinking?
I think I'd have been relieved in one respect (no having to trudge over to Twickenham and cope with the little ones at a stadium that is not particularly child friendly) but on the other hand there was something special about being together with such a 'great crowd of witnesses' and seeing people you hadn't seen for a long time, etc, etc.
I reckon the DC at Hayesbridge this year will just feel even more like same ol' same ol'. Or even, oh, can I really be bothered??
What do you think?
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Posted on behalf - ladies, please share your thoughts and comments
by passwordprotected ini am a lifelong jw, a born-in true believer for most of my life.
eventually i had the awakening and have been pulling away from the religion, even though we still attend meetings.
i am willing to keep up appearances if it means saving my relationship with my wife and our close family.
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sweet pea
Everything takes time.
If you rip out that hook it'll be painful - take time to help ease it out of her. Perhaps you can share this place with her and carefully show her some of the experiences of the non-ranters who have been through hell just for having doubts - maybe she'll empathise and you'll arouse her sense of injustice - that's how I felt when Besty shared this site with me. I started to understand the reason behind the ranting.
You could perhaps show her V's videos too - I know HotChocolate had a lot of success helping a girlfriend of hers out of the org mainly due to his videos.
When I left I was terrified of losing my faith in God and the paradise hope; naturally that led to an exploration of mainstream Christianity and a serendipitous realisation that I was actually probably going to heaven. When the blinkers came off and I saw beyond religion there was the double whammy of realising that this life was all there is guaranteed. It was painful but I'm getting over it.
Now, I try to look at life as a wonderful, incredibly lucky (considering the odds) chance to experience being human and all that involves. I hit the jackpot just being born. I try to really enjoy life, my husband, my family, my friends and the upside is nothing really phases me that much anymore.
How about making lots of plans for the future with her - start with the book 1000 places to see before you die - and push that this life is really all that's guaranteed so "let's make the most of it darling" and "if anything happens afterwards, it's a bonus!". A life of no regrets.
Just be gentle with her and love her like no other man can. In time, I reckon you'll have her eating out of your hand........
Good luck!
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What Was It That Finally Got You To Leave The Organization?
by minimus inwhat pushed you over the edge?.
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sweet pea
realising it was just another man made religion and worse than that, a cult
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The "They Are Imperfect" Excuse
by LouBelle indoesn't it just make you sick to your stomach?.
dozens of doctrine changes that effect the lives of the rank and file: the fds are only imperfect men and didn't understand the bible truths at the time.. pedophiles that are protected or not reported and allowed to stay in the congregation: these men are imperfect and this sin isn't unique to jws.
the organisation has it's problems just like any other...they are not perfect after all.. all their prophesies - failed: the fds are only imperfect men and have never claimed to be a prophet.. i am truly sick of this overused excuse.
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sweet pea
It makes my blood boil too. My mum is fond of using it.
However, if you think of these people as victims, then it is their safety valve to stop their brains exploding and their world from falling apart.
Hats off to the GB, they've pulled a blinder with this one.
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...Jehovah`s Witness Kids don`t miss Celebrating Birthdays,Christmas..ect..ect!!....
by OUTLAW injehovah`s witness kids don`t miss celebrating birthdays,christmas..ect..ect..!
!......................thats what jehovah`s witness parents,tell the outside world..my parents did.......the fact is..i did want to have a birthday party..i did want to get toys at christmas..i did want a tree with all the lights..i did want to go to the school christmas party..i did want to hunt for chocolate eggs at easter................tell that to your jw parents and you`ll get an ass-whopp`n..........i told my aunt i loved christmas,she always got me something...my aunt told my mom.....mom was not happy.......i did`nt support the jehovah`s witness lie....i paid the price..............when you were a jehovah`s witness kid,did you want to participate in celebrations?
...outlaw.
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sweet pea
My JW parents were awesome. Faithful but liberal, if that's possible.
They (mainly mum) always made sure we didn't miss out totally - we celebrated their anniversary May 25 and then 6 months later just for the hell of it - Nov 25 (nice and close to Christmas) and quite a few times Mum would throw a party for me where we all had a cake with a candle on it (just noone sung happy birthday) BUT and this is a big BUT, it just wasn't the same. As a kid, you desperately want to fit in and have the approval of all your peers. I always felt the odd one out, the weirdo and as confident as you become in later life I don't think this feeling ever evades you. Your psyche has been damaged irrevocably.
I ALWAYS wanted to just be normal and celebrate everything, especially Christmas (oh, the wonder of it all - I used to almost be orgasmic when I spent time at my next door neighbours - my BF - at Christmas with his beautiful Xmas tree - LOL). I was always upset at having to turn down birthday invitations or after a while not even being invited anymore - this feeling still persists today when there are events that we are not invited to.......
The only up side to this all is the joy that one experiences through your children - our two boys get so excited at anything to do with Birthdays/Christmas, etc - my heart just bursts every time I see their joy - I don't think your average Joe gets so much of a kick out of this as we do.
PS At 38, I just celebrated my birthday for the first time with girlfriends and had a blast - a sick religion that portrays this as a bad thing. Gotta lot of making up to do.......
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2009 Drama - Kudos to Bethel. Sorry.
by Open mind inmy overall impression of this year's modern-day prodigal son drama was that it was one of the best i've ever seen.
"best" if the goal is to try to convince young jws to stay in the org.. the amount of cheesiness was at an all-time low, imo.
there were a few exceptions, but i got the impression that bethel is getting pretty good intel from the field and incorporating it into the program.
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sweet pea
I think they're trying to make parents whose children have left the cult feel they still have hope. A lot of witnesses will have put themselves in the place of the characters and it's just another case of reassuring the sheep that everything's going to be OK. Just another way of stirring up people's emotions and keeping them under control......